"Pretty much the entire point of my post, lame-brain."

Well, if you could read properly, you'd notice from the beginning of this thread that I wasn't saying that Frank was better, even though it's my opinion he is. I was answering Adam's question, moron.

"You clearly have no understanding of musical theory claim that Zappa experimented in every style possible. How about dodecaphony? Minimalism?"

You clearly are speaking out of your ass once again.

Even though Frank didn't like Minimalism, he utilized it in a somewhat vague way when performing his "air sculptures". He juxstaposed simple chord progressions with complex solos. Listen to Shut Up & Play 'Yer Guitar, Guitar & Trance-Fusion for example.

As far as Dodecaphony is concerned, he's variated that as well is similar ways.

"Two points:
1) That's not what really Xenochrony is. Xenochrony is when you combine seperately recorded musicians who have no common reference point to create a piece, regardless of the context of the recording."

I know that. There's many variations to it. You're just expounding on what I'm saying.


"2) Zappa coined the phrase but he certainly didn't invent it. It's generally accepted that Charles Ives was the first composer to employ xenochrony back in the first two decades of the 20th century."

I didn't say he did.

"This is too stupid an assertion to pay much credit to. I'd simply point you in the direction of the likes of Little Richard and Jerry Lee Lewis."

Oh so, Jerry Lee Lewis and Little Richard invited people on the stage and gave them their instruments to perform a concert's worth of material while they watched from the audience?


"True, Zappa did much to develop guitar textures, though others were certainly ahead of him in the importance and quality of their developments in my opinion (as a guitarist)."

Not even close.


"zzz. I note your inability to comment on Zappa's playing and compositional style in any concrete terms."

I said you did you want more? I guess that's a yes? So, let's get on with it...

Apart from the synclavier (which he was the very first patron of), the guitar was Zappa's favourite instrument and he utilized his "chicken and spider" approach to form his unique ability to play. From the way he held his pick - by pluck the strings and not picking them to create a punching like effect, to the way he invented solos on the spot during live shows (sometimes for 10 minutes straight!), instead of playing the same solo repeatedly night after night. They are in themselves, many of his Zappaisms.

Xylophones were a major melodic component to his art too - as the flourishes were Zappaesque and instantly recognizable.

He also found ways to incorporate orchestra/classical music in his music. He was one of the first (if not the first) to record with an symphonic orchestra on Lumpy Gravy (1967), but more so in dissonant atmospheres with dense clusters.

Zappa was the first rock musician to bring obscene/profane lyrics into popular music in the mid-sixties. He was talking about things people weren't even dreaming about.

Zappa recorded the very first rock double album with Freak Out! in 1965.

Want more? Or do you need another napkin?


"The point I was trying to make (other than the fact that you're an imbecilic waste of natural resources) is that your attempt to offer any aesthetic judgement as a matter of fact, supported by nothing other than your typically retarded bluster is typical of someone who has no idea what they are talking about."

You really need to stop talking now. It's more than likely quite embarrassing for you at this point...

"I personally agree that from a technical point of view, Zappa is clearly a more innovative musician than Bowie.

The only intelligent thing you've said thus far.

" Problem is, you're such a fucking plum that you think your opinion on music is somehow better than the others here who, when they offer they're own opinion, you try to slate them with mentally-deficient ad hominem insults about how they don't like to see their rock god attacked. Never mind the fact that TW as a whole is usually very critical of Bowie's output when they think it's below par. But why let reality get in the way of the fact that you're utterly incapable of formulating an argument or an insult because 90% of your brain cells have been replaced with backed-up sperm from sucking your dad's cock too much."

Your problem is that you assume too much. You have much in common with many of the members of this site. Insults are your only way of somehow reassuring yourself that you're right, when in fact you have no logical rebutal at all.

"Now, how do you like them apples?"

I like slurpees myself.



A wrong assumption of myself on the part of you.

Edited by NoControl on 04/08/04 09:17 PM (server time).