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NoControl
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04/08/04 09:15 PM
Re: sterilise this man and his family. fast [re: JonnyManic]  

"Pretty much the entire point of my post, lame-brain."

Well, if you could read properly, you'd notice from the beginning of this thread that I wasn't saying that Frank was better, even though it's my opinion he is. I was answering Adam's question, moron.

"You clearly have no understanding of musical theory claim that Zappa experimented in every style possible. How about dodecaphony? Minimalism?"

You clearly are speaking out of your ass once again.

Even though Frank didn't like Minimalism, he utilized it in a somewhat vague way when performing his "air sculptures". He juxstaposed simple chord progressions with complex solos. Listen to Shut Up & Play 'Yer Guitar, Guitar & Trance-Fusion for example.

As far as Dodecaphony is concerned, he's variated that as well is similar ways.

"Two points:
1) That's not what really Xenochrony is. Xenochrony is when you combine seperately recorded musicians who have no common reference point to create a piece, regardless of the context of the recording."


I know that. There's many variations to it. You're just expounding on what I'm saying.


"2) Zappa coined the phrase but he certainly didn't invent it. It's generally accepted that Charles Ives was the first composer to employ xenochrony back in the first two decades of the 20th century."

I didn't say he did.

"This is too stupid an assertion to pay much credit to. I'd simply point you in the direction of the likes of Little Richard and Jerry Lee Lewis."

Oh so, Jerry Lee Lewis and Little Richard invited people on the stage and gave them their instruments to perform a concert's worth of material while they watched from the audience?


"True, Zappa did much to develop guitar textures, though others were certainly ahead of him in the importance and quality of their developments in my opinion (as a guitarist)."

Not even close.


"zzz. I note your inability to comment on Zappa's playing and compositional style in any concrete terms."

I said you did you want more? I guess that's a yes? So, let's get on with it...

Apart from the synclavier (which he was the very first patron of), the guitar was Zappa's favourite instrument and he utilized his "chicken and spider" approach to form his unique ability to play. From the way he held his pick - by pluck the strings and not picking them to create a punching like effect, to the way he invented solos on the spot during live shows (sometimes for 10 minutes straight!), instead of playing the same solo repeatedly night after night. They are in themselves, many of his Zappaisms.

Xylophones were a major melodic component to his art too - as the flourishes were Zappaesque and instantly recognizable.

He also found ways to incorporate orchestra/classical music in his music. He was one of the first (if not the first) to record with an symphonic orchestra on Lumpy Gravy (1967), but more so in dissonant atmospheres with dense clusters.

Zappa was the first rock musician to bring obscene/profane lyrics into popular music in the mid-sixties. He was talking about things people weren't even dreaming about.

Zappa recorded the very first rock double album with Freak Out! in 1965.

Want more? Or do you need another napkin?


"The point I was trying to make (other than the fact that you're an imbecilic waste of natural resources) is that your attempt to offer any aesthetic judgement as a matter of fact, supported by nothing other than your typically retarded bluster is typical of someone who has no idea what they are talking about."

You really need to stop talking now. It's more than likely quite embarrassing for you at this point...

"I personally agree that from a technical point of view, Zappa is clearly a more innovative musician than Bowie.

The only intelligent thing you've said thus far.

" Problem is, you're such a fucking plum that you think your opinion on music is somehow better than the others here who, when they offer they're own opinion, you try to slate them with mentally-deficient ad hominem insults about how they don't like to see their rock god attacked. Never mind the fact that TW as a whole is usually very critical of Bowie's output when they think it's below par. But why let reality get in the way of the fact that you're utterly incapable of formulating an argument or an insult because 90% of your brain cells have been replaced with backed-up sperm from sucking your dad's cock too much."

Your problem is that you assume too much. You have much in common with many of the members of this site. Insults are your only way of somehow reassuring yourself that you're right, when in fact you have no logical rebutal at all.

"Now, how do you like them apples?"

I like slurpees myself.



A wrong assumption of myself on the part of you.

Edited by NoControl on 04/08/04 09:17 PM (server time).




 
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*LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  AdamAdministrator03/19/04 02:32 AM
.*Well, on my list, it'd be pretty LOW  twister09/15/04 03:29 PM
.*Love to say Da Da  Chichikov03/21/04 06:47 PM
.*Get Ready to Smile  Marquis03/21/04 08:07 PM
.*The Berlin era was a musical renaissance  stevetobias03/21/04 12:13 PM
.*Re: The Berlin era was a musical renaissance  bowiefanpeter03/21/04 01:19 PM
.*Anyway, enough of that  GodlessWonder03/21/04 01:26 PM
.*Guest  poorsoul03/21/04 08:05 PM
.*Re: Guest  The_Omen04/12/04 01:48 AM
.*Weep  poorsoul04/12/04 03:22 AM
.*Re: Weep  pablopicasso04/12/04 05:40 AM
.*Philo  poorsoul04/13/04 02:49 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  diamondogz7403/21/04 06:52 AM
.*I say jump!  EuropeanCanon03/21/04 09:01 AM
.*Re: I say jump!  diamondogz7403/21/04 09:36 AM
.*Re: I say jump!  kipt03/21/04 10:46 AM
.*Re: I say jump!  diamondogz7403/21/04 02:58 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  bowiefanpeter03/20/04 06:16 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  AdamAdministrator04/09/04 07:03 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  forgetthatim5009/11/04 11:02 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  pablopicasso04/09/04 07:08 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  NoControl04/09/04 06:25 PM
.*Elbox  poorsoul04/11/04 02:37 AM
.*Re: Elbox  Grey_Nihilist04/11/04 11:54 AM
.*Re: Elbox  bowiefanpeter04/11/04 04:28 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  pablopicasso04/09/04 06:35 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  bowiefanpeter04/09/04 07:17 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  NoControl04/09/04 06:33 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  NoControl03/20/04 00:18 AM
.*What a fucking twat...  JonnyManic04/07/04 11:20 PM
.*Re: This is TOO Easy...  NoControl04/08/04 01:03 AM
.*Re: This is TOO Easy...  Diamond_Dave09/12/04 07:56 AM
.*This is even easier!  Marquis09/12/04 05:06 PM
.*Re: This is even easier!  Diamond_Dave09/15/04 07:44 AM
.*Thank Your Lucky Oops!  Marquis09/15/04 11:54 AM
.*2 + 2 = 5  poorsoul09/13/04 07:16 AM
.*sterilise this man and his family. fast  JonnyManic04/08/04 04:11 PM
..Re: sterilise this man and his family. fast  NoControl04/08/04 09:15 PM
.*it's like talking to Robbie The Robot on crack  JonnyManic04/08/04 09:56 PM
.*Re: it's like talking to Robbie The Robot on crack  NoControl04/08/04 10:31 PM
.*stuck in a loop  JonnyManic04/09/04 04:17 PM
.*Re: stuck in a loop  NoControl04/09/04 06:43 PM
.*Re: stuck in a loop  pablopicasso04/09/04 06:56 PM
.*zzz  JonnyManic04/09/04 06:53 PM
.*Re: zzz  NoControl04/09/04 07:16 PM
.*bad doggy  JonnyManic04/09/04 07:38 PM
.*Re:  NoControl04/10/04 07:54 PM
.*I bet you dribble when you smile...  JonnyManic04/11/04 04:49 PM
.*Re:  Grey_Nihilist04/10/04 08:33 PM
.*Buttinsky  ohramonaModerator04/10/04 09:07 PM
.*Prawn of Satan  Marquis04/10/04 09:11 PM
.*Picky picky picky  ohramonaModerator04/10/04 09:14 PM
.*Re: Picky picky picky  CAwesome04/11/04 01:15 AM
.*Your Zappa Hard-on Knows No Bounds  Marquis04/10/04 08:05 PM
.*Re: it's like talking to Robbie The Robot on crack  RabbitFighter04/08/04 10:57 PM
.*Re: it's like talking to Robbie The Robot on crack  CAwesome04/08/04 10:42 PM
.*Re: it's like talking to Robbie The Robot on crack  NoControl04/08/04 11:05 PM
.*Yeah, well Bowie invented the fax machine!  Marquis04/08/04 11:18 AM
.*Re: Yeah, well Bowie invented the fax machine!  Cassiel04/08/04 12:11 PM
.*Re: Yeah, well Bowie invented the fax machine!  pablopicasso04/08/04 12:32 PM
.*What I want to know is, who woke him up again!!!  Cassiel04/08/04 12:39 PM
.*Re: What I want to know is, who woke him up again!!!  pablopicasso04/08/04 12:44 PM
.*Always On the Ball  Marquis04/08/04 12:49 PM
.*OMD!  SysiyoModerator04/08/04 01:01 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  AdamAdministrator03/20/04 00:38 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  NoControl03/20/04 00:55 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  AdamAdministrator03/20/04 01:11 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  NoControl03/20/04 01:15 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  AdamAdministrator03/20/04 01:48 AM
.*Having Been There  EJSundayModerator03/22/04 04:28 AM
.*Re: Having Been There  NoControl03/22/04 11:24 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  NoControl03/20/04 02:21 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  AdamAdministrator03/20/04 02:37 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  NoControl03/20/04 03:04 AM
.*The Problem With Zappa  Marquis03/20/04 02:45 PM
.*Monster  poorsoul03/20/04 10:31 PM
.*Give People What They Want in Lethal Doses  Marquis03/20/04 11:23 PM
.*Re: Give People What They Want in Lethal Doses  RabbitFighter03/21/04 06:43 AM
.*Re: Give People What They Want in Lethal Doses  NoControl03/22/04 00:15 AM
.*Always crashing in the same car  RabbitFighter03/22/04 10:05 AM
.*Re: Give People What They Want in Lethal Doses  NoControl03/21/04 00:27 AM
.*Manic  poorsoul03/21/04 08:09 PM
.*Re: Manic  NoControl03/22/04 00:38 AM
.*Re: Manic  diamondogz7403/22/04 06:47 AM
.*Re: Manic  Nature_Boy03/22/04 07:14 AM
.*Re: Manic  diamondogz7403/23/04 06:28 AM
.*>  Shyster03/22/04 05:34 AM
.*Re: >  NoControl03/22/04 11:25 PM
.*Lend  poorsoul03/22/04 03:08 AM
.*Re: Lend  NoControl03/22/04 11:34 PM
.*Shelter  poorsoul03/22/04 11:39 PM
.*Re: Shelter  NoControl03/22/04 11:43 PM
.*I am a robot, do what I say.  Marquis03/23/04 03:04 AM
.*Re: I am a robot, do what I say.  NoControl03/23/04 03:41 AM
.*Baby you just keep me coming back  Marquis03/23/04 11:45 AM
.*Re: Baby you just keep me coming back  NoControl03/24/04 01:31 AM
.*Re: Baby you just keep me coming back  Cassiel03/24/04 02:47 PM
.*Re: Baby you just keep me coming back  NoControl03/24/04 06:08 PM
.*Ask Dr. Stupid  Marquis03/24/04 11:15 AM
.*Re: Broken Hearts Are For Assholes  NoControl03/24/04 06:08 PM
.*Code Change  EJSundayModerator03/25/04 05:09 AM
.*Re: The Intensive Care Contingent  NoControl03/25/04 07:05 AM
.*There can Be Only One  EJSundayModerator03/25/04 07:30 AM
.*Re: A+  NoControl03/25/04 07:41 AM
.*Re: A+  SysiyoModerator03/25/04 07:59 AM
.*Hear hear, well spoken Marquis!  SysiyoModerator03/21/04 05:18 PM
.*Re: Hear hear, well spoken Marquis!  NoControl03/22/04 00:17 AM
.*And the finnish alphabet has 29 letters.  SysiyoModerator03/22/04 02:05 PM
.*Re: And the finnish alphabet has 29 letters.  NoControl03/22/04 11:27 PM
.*Re: Give People What They Want in Lethal Doses  pablopicasso03/21/04 02:20 AM
.*Re: Give People What They Want in Lethal Doses  NoControl03/22/04 00:13 AM
.*I love you but i've chosen darkness  Marquis03/21/04 02:13 AM
.*Re: I love you but i've chosen darkness  NoControl03/22/04 00:12 AM
.*Are you speaking?  Marquis03/22/04 01:10 AM
.*Re: Are you speaking?  NoControl03/22/04 11:40 PM
.*Blessing  poorsoul03/23/04 00:10 AM
.*Re: Blessing  NoControl03/23/04 00:41 AM
.*Re: The Problem With Zappa  NoControl03/20/04 07:55 PM
.*Re: The Problem With Zappa  HotJareth03/20/04 08:13 PM
.*Re: The Problem With Ignorance  NoControl03/20/04 09:19 PM
.*Re: The Problem With Ignorance  HotJareth03/20/04 09:22 PM
.*Re: The Problem With Ignorance  NoControl03/20/04 09:25 PM
.*Re: The Problem With Ignorance  HotJareth03/20/04 09:36 PM
.*Re: The Problem With Ignorance  NoControl03/20/04 09:38 PM
.*Re: The Problem With Ignorance  HotJareth03/20/04 09:45 PM
.*Re: The Problem With Ignorance  NoControl03/20/04 09:51 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  th0mas03/20/04 07:41 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  SysiyoModerator03/20/04 02:34 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  pablopicasso03/20/04 04:42 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  CAwesome03/20/04 05:08 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  pablopicasso03/20/04 05:21 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  Earthling on Fire03/20/04 03:00 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  Strawman03/19/04 11:09 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  bowiefanpeter03/19/04 09:01 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  Earthling on Fire03/19/04 07:17 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  SysiyoModerator03/19/04 06:19 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  EJSundayModerator03/19/04 09:17 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  SysiyoModerator03/19/04 04:31 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  eraserhead03/19/04 11:22 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  tonyinsf03/19/04 11:58 PM
.*Kraftwerk  AdamAdministrator03/19/04 06:38 AM
.*Popularity's no contest  White Prism03/19/04 04:05 AM
.*Metal Dung  AdamAdministrator03/19/04 04:25 AM
.*Invocation & Ritual Dance Of The Young Pumpkin  White Prism03/19/04 07:17 AM
.*What with our Culture and our charm and our brains  White Prism03/23/04 04:26 PM
.*Re: Invocation & Ritual Dance Of The Young Pumpkin  xray_yak03/19/04 11:42 AM
.*Re: Invocation & Ritual Dance Of The Young Pumpkin  DocFederfeld03/19/04 12:18 PM
.*Keh ?  xray_yak03/19/04 03:07 PM
.*A Lingering Lapse Of Agression  EJSundayModerator03/22/04 08:06 AM
.*Heck  poorsoul03/20/04 00:36 AM
.*Re: Invocation & Ritual Dance Of The Young Pumpkin  RabbitFighter03/19/04 12:48 PM
.*Re: Invocation & Ritual Dance Of The Young Pumpkin  AdamAdministrator03/19/04 07:33 AM
.*Re: Invocation & Ritual Dance Of The Young Pumpkin  Earthling on Fire03/19/04 11:08 AM
.*Re: Invocation & Ritual Dance Of The Young Pumpkin  Frank_Solo03/19/04 08:34 AM
.*Re: Kid A Dung  Emil03/19/04 07:01 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  TheYoungDude03/19/04 03:28 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  tonyinsf03/19/04 02:55 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  kipt03/20/04 08:10 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  TheYoungDude03/19/04 03:26 AM
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