"Your just making a list of a few things Zappa did! You're not proving a greater level of innovation since innovation is not quantifiable, one man's innovation is another's irrelevancy. You're certainly not providing any argument to show that Zappa produced a more conceptually experimental album than Low that was as popular as Low. I would actually argue that Low's diversity of texture, musical style, use overt use oif minimalist techniques makes it a far more groundbreaking piece of popular music. Zappa's music followed an organic trend. Bowie's Low was a complete departure from previous work and was not in any way typical of a pop record. "Warszawa" and "Subterreneans" would never have been expected on a pop album, but certainly not alongside the honky-tonk squall of "Be My Wife" or the driving, percussive "What In The World". Zappa's popular music, despite his experimentation within it, largely followed established rock/jazz trends. His more experimental work, like his collected improvisations etc. is not in any way popular or widely distributed. This is the arguement. You don't have a logical arguement, you have an arbitrary list that you've pulled out of a book or website. There is no discourse, you''re simply regurgitating facts as if they are empirical evidence."

Fuck, are you a joker or something? Regurgitating facts? Websites? No discourse or proof? ROTFLMFAO. All I've done in this thread is prove that Frank is the most experimental/innovative artist of the 20 century, if not ever. Invest in some reading lessons, if you're serious about this crap you spew. You obviously know nothing about his music whatsoever. Frank wasn't a follower, he was pioneer, a genious and a leader. And if Frank wasn't that popular, then why did he continually perform in or sell out 10-15,000 seat arenas (or the equivalent of) the world over, in: Detroit, New York City, Washington, DC, Philadelphia, Boston, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Toronto, Chicago, Montreal, London, Rotterdam, Paris, Sydney, Melbourne, Rome, etc., on every one of his concert tours since 1973? He was even equalling Bowie's concert drawing power in Europe from 1977-1982. Stick to your BS Coffee Shop topics or something...

But I gotta admit, at least you're funny as hell. Seriously.


"No, insults are fun to throw at you because your such an obvious, insecure target. You need to trumpet your opinion as though it's fact like a shield. You're absurd obsession with album sales and statistics simply indicates you will die a virgin. I've provided nothing but logical arguement. You're throwing up a load of statistics because you are incapable of formulating any coherant arguement to back up your assertions.

Die a virgin, huh? I get more tail then you could ever imagine. But that's beside the point.

The only way to describe you is that you're a complete and total idiot!

"Besides, we all know who's won the arguement. Hell, I could have posted a shopping list and I'd win the arguement because everyone thinks you're a sad prick. But I win the arguement because I have one. You just have vitriol and a music biography."

You haven't won anything but your own jerk-off ceremony and pissing contest.




A wrong assumption of myself on the part of you.