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NoControl
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04/08/04 10:31 PM
Re: it's like talking to Robbie The Robot on crack [re: JonnyManic]  

"Your just making a list of a few things Zappa did! You're not proving a greater level of innovation since innovation is not quantifiable, one man's innovation is another's irrelevancy. You're certainly not providing any argument to show that Zappa produced a more conceptually experimental album than Low that was as popular as Low. I would actually argue that Low's diversity of texture, musical style, use overt use oif minimalist techniques makes it a far more groundbreaking piece of popular music. Zappa's music followed an organic trend. Bowie's Low was a complete departure from previous work and was not in any way typical of a pop record. "Warszawa" and "Subterreneans" would never have been expected on a pop album, but certainly not alongside the honky-tonk squall of "Be My Wife" or the driving, percussive "What In The World". Zappa's popular music, despite his experimentation within it, largely followed established rock/jazz trends. His more experimental work, like his collected improvisations etc. is not in any way popular or widely distributed. This is the arguement. You don't have a logical arguement, you have an arbitrary list that you've pulled out of a book or website. There is no discourse, you''re simply regurgitating facts as if they are empirical evidence."

Fuck, are you a joker or something? Regurgitating facts? Websites? No discourse or proof? ROTFLMFAO. All I've done in this thread is prove that Frank is the most experimental/innovative artist of the 20 century, if not ever. Invest in some reading lessons, if you're serious about this crap you spew. You obviously know nothing about his music whatsoever. Frank wasn't a follower, he was pioneer, a genious and a leader. And if Frank wasn't that popular, then why did he continually perform in or sell out 10-15,000 seat arenas (or the equivalent of) the world over, in: Detroit, New York City, Washington, DC, Philadelphia, Boston, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Toronto, Chicago, Montreal, London, Rotterdam, Paris, Sydney, Melbourne, Rome, etc., on every one of his concert tours since 1973? He was even equalling Bowie's concert drawing power in Europe from 1977-1982. Stick to your BS Coffee Shop topics or something...

But I gotta admit, at least you're funny as hell. Seriously.


"No, insults are fun to throw at you because your such an obvious, insecure target. You need to trumpet your opinion as though it's fact like a shield. You're absurd obsession with album sales and statistics simply indicates you will die a virgin. I've provided nothing but logical arguement. You're throwing up a load of statistics because you are incapable of formulating any coherant arguement to back up your assertions.

Die a virgin, huh? I get more tail then you could ever imagine. But that's beside the point.

The only way to describe you is that you're a complete and total idiot!

"Besides, we all know who's won the arguement. Hell, I could have posted a shopping list and I'd win the arguement because everyone thinks you're a sad prick. But I win the arguement because I have one. You just have vitriol and a music biography."

You haven't won anything but your own jerk-off ceremony and pissing contest.




A wrong assumption of myself on the part of you.


 
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*LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  AdamAdministrator03/19/04 02:32 AM
.*Well, on my list, it'd be pretty LOW  twister09/15/04 03:29 PM
.*Love to say Da Da  Chichikov03/21/04 06:47 PM
.*Get Ready to Smile  Marquis03/21/04 08:07 PM
.*The Berlin era was a musical renaissance  stevetobias03/21/04 12:13 PM
.*Re: The Berlin era was a musical renaissance  bowiefanpeter03/21/04 01:19 PM
.*Anyway, enough of that  GodlessWonder03/21/04 01:26 PM
.*Guest  poorsoul03/21/04 08:05 PM
.*Re: Guest  The_Omen04/12/04 01:48 AM
.*Weep  poorsoul04/12/04 03:22 AM
.*Re: Weep  pablopicasso04/12/04 05:40 AM
.*Philo  poorsoul04/13/04 02:49 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  diamondogz7403/21/04 06:52 AM
.*I say jump!  EuropeanCanon03/21/04 09:01 AM
.*Re: I say jump!  diamondogz7403/21/04 09:36 AM
.*Re: I say jump!  kipt03/21/04 10:46 AM
.*Re: I say jump!  diamondogz7403/21/04 02:58 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  bowiefanpeter03/20/04 06:16 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  AdamAdministrator04/09/04 07:03 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  forgetthatim5009/11/04 11:02 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  pablopicasso04/09/04 07:08 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  NoControl04/09/04 06:25 PM
.*Elbox  poorsoul04/11/04 02:37 AM
.*Re: Elbox  Grey_Nihilist04/11/04 11:54 AM
.*Re: Elbox  bowiefanpeter04/11/04 04:28 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  pablopicasso04/09/04 06:35 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  bowiefanpeter04/09/04 07:17 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  NoControl04/09/04 06:33 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  NoControl03/20/04 00:18 AM
.*What a fucking twat...  JonnyManic04/07/04 11:20 PM
.*Re: This is TOO Easy...  NoControl04/08/04 01:03 AM
.*Re: This is TOO Easy...  Diamond_Dave09/12/04 07:56 AM
.*This is even easier!  Marquis09/12/04 05:06 PM
.*Re: This is even easier!  Diamond_Dave09/15/04 07:44 AM
.*Thank Your Lucky Oops!  Marquis09/15/04 11:54 AM
.*2 + 2 = 5  poorsoul09/13/04 07:16 AM
.*sterilise this man and his family. fast  JonnyManic04/08/04 04:11 PM
.*Re: sterilise this man and his family. fast  NoControl04/08/04 09:15 PM
.*it's like talking to Robbie The Robot on crack  JonnyManic04/08/04 09:56 PM
..Re: it's like talking to Robbie The Robot on crack  NoControl04/08/04 10:31 PM
.*stuck in a loop  JonnyManic04/09/04 04:17 PM
.*Re: stuck in a loop  NoControl04/09/04 06:43 PM
.*Re: stuck in a loop  pablopicasso04/09/04 06:56 PM
.*zzz  JonnyManic04/09/04 06:53 PM
.*Re: zzz  NoControl04/09/04 07:16 PM
.*bad doggy  JonnyManic04/09/04 07:38 PM
.*Re:  NoControl04/10/04 07:54 PM
.*I bet you dribble when you smile...  JonnyManic04/11/04 04:49 PM
.*Re:  Grey_Nihilist04/10/04 08:33 PM
.*Buttinsky  ohramonaModerator04/10/04 09:07 PM
.*Prawn of Satan  Marquis04/10/04 09:11 PM
.*Picky picky picky  ohramonaModerator04/10/04 09:14 PM
.*Re: Picky picky picky  CAwesome04/11/04 01:15 AM
.*Your Zappa Hard-on Knows No Bounds  Marquis04/10/04 08:05 PM
.*Re: it's like talking to Robbie The Robot on crack  RabbitFighter04/08/04 10:57 PM
.*Re: it's like talking to Robbie The Robot on crack  CAwesome04/08/04 10:42 PM
.*Re: it's like talking to Robbie The Robot on crack  NoControl04/08/04 11:05 PM
.*Yeah, well Bowie invented the fax machine!  Marquis04/08/04 11:18 AM
.*Re: Yeah, well Bowie invented the fax machine!  Cassiel04/08/04 12:11 PM
.*Re: Yeah, well Bowie invented the fax machine!  pablopicasso04/08/04 12:32 PM
.*What I want to know is, who woke him up again!!!  Cassiel04/08/04 12:39 PM
.*Re: What I want to know is, who woke him up again!!!  pablopicasso04/08/04 12:44 PM
.*Always On the Ball  Marquis04/08/04 12:49 PM
.*OMD!  SysiyoModerator04/08/04 01:01 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  AdamAdministrator03/20/04 00:38 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  NoControl03/20/04 00:55 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  AdamAdministrator03/20/04 01:11 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  NoControl03/20/04 01:15 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  AdamAdministrator03/20/04 01:48 AM
.*Having Been There  EJSundayModerator03/22/04 04:28 AM
.*Re: Having Been There  NoControl03/22/04 11:24 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  NoControl03/20/04 02:21 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  AdamAdministrator03/20/04 02:37 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  NoControl03/20/04 03:04 AM
.*The Problem With Zappa  Marquis03/20/04 02:45 PM
.*Monster  poorsoul03/20/04 10:31 PM
.*Give People What They Want in Lethal Doses  Marquis03/20/04 11:23 PM
.*Re: Give People What They Want in Lethal Doses  RabbitFighter03/21/04 06:43 AM
.*Re: Give People What They Want in Lethal Doses  NoControl03/22/04 00:15 AM
.*Always crashing in the same car  RabbitFighter03/22/04 10:05 AM
.*Re: Give People What They Want in Lethal Doses  NoControl03/21/04 00:27 AM
.*Manic  poorsoul03/21/04 08:09 PM
.*Re: Manic  NoControl03/22/04 00:38 AM
.*Re: Manic  diamondogz7403/22/04 06:47 AM
.*Re: Manic  Nature_Boy03/22/04 07:14 AM
.*Re: Manic  diamondogz7403/23/04 06:28 AM
.*>  Shyster03/22/04 05:34 AM
.*Re: >  NoControl03/22/04 11:25 PM
.*Lend  poorsoul03/22/04 03:08 AM
.*Re: Lend  NoControl03/22/04 11:34 PM
.*Shelter  poorsoul03/22/04 11:39 PM
.*Re: Shelter  NoControl03/22/04 11:43 PM
.*I am a robot, do what I say.  Marquis03/23/04 03:04 AM
.*Re: I am a robot, do what I say.  NoControl03/23/04 03:41 AM
.*Baby you just keep me coming back  Marquis03/23/04 11:45 AM
.*Re: Baby you just keep me coming back  NoControl03/24/04 01:31 AM
.*Re: Baby you just keep me coming back  Cassiel03/24/04 02:47 PM
.*Re: Baby you just keep me coming back  NoControl03/24/04 06:08 PM
.*Ask Dr. Stupid  Marquis03/24/04 11:15 AM
.*Re: Broken Hearts Are For Assholes  NoControl03/24/04 06:08 PM
.*Code Change  EJSundayModerator03/25/04 05:09 AM
.*Re: The Intensive Care Contingent  NoControl03/25/04 07:05 AM
.*There can Be Only One  EJSundayModerator03/25/04 07:30 AM
.*Re: A+  NoControl03/25/04 07:41 AM
.*Re: A+  SysiyoModerator03/25/04 07:59 AM
.*Hear hear, well spoken Marquis!  SysiyoModerator03/21/04 05:18 PM
.*Re: Hear hear, well spoken Marquis!  NoControl03/22/04 00:17 AM
.*And the finnish alphabet has 29 letters.  SysiyoModerator03/22/04 02:05 PM
.*Re: And the finnish alphabet has 29 letters.  NoControl03/22/04 11:27 PM
.*Re: Give People What They Want in Lethal Doses  pablopicasso03/21/04 02:20 AM
.*Re: Give People What They Want in Lethal Doses  NoControl03/22/04 00:13 AM
.*I love you but i've chosen darkness  Marquis03/21/04 02:13 AM
.*Re: I love you but i've chosen darkness  NoControl03/22/04 00:12 AM
.*Are you speaking?  Marquis03/22/04 01:10 AM
.*Re: Are you speaking?  NoControl03/22/04 11:40 PM
.*Blessing  poorsoul03/23/04 00:10 AM
.*Re: Blessing  NoControl03/23/04 00:41 AM
.*Re: The Problem With Zappa  NoControl03/20/04 07:55 PM
.*Re: The Problem With Zappa  HotJareth03/20/04 08:13 PM
.*Re: The Problem With Ignorance  NoControl03/20/04 09:19 PM
.*Re: The Problem With Ignorance  HotJareth03/20/04 09:22 PM
.*Re: The Problem With Ignorance  NoControl03/20/04 09:25 PM
.*Re: The Problem With Ignorance  HotJareth03/20/04 09:36 PM
.*Re: The Problem With Ignorance  NoControl03/20/04 09:38 PM
.*Re: The Problem With Ignorance  HotJareth03/20/04 09:45 PM
.*Re: The Problem With Ignorance  NoControl03/20/04 09:51 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  th0mas03/20/04 07:41 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  SysiyoModerator03/20/04 02:34 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  pablopicasso03/20/04 04:42 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  CAwesome03/20/04 05:08 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  pablopicasso03/20/04 05:21 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20  Earthling on Fire03/20/04 03:00 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  Strawman03/19/04 11:09 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  bowiefanpeter03/19/04 09:01 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  Earthling on Fire03/19/04 07:17 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  SysiyoModerator03/19/04 06:19 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  EJSundayModerator03/19/04 09:17 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  SysiyoModerator03/19/04 04:31 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  eraserhead03/19/04 11:22 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  tonyinsf03/19/04 11:58 PM
.*Kraftwerk  AdamAdministrator03/19/04 06:38 AM
.*Popularity's no contest  White Prism03/19/04 04:05 AM
.*Metal Dung  AdamAdministrator03/19/04 04:25 AM
.*Invocation & Ritual Dance Of The Young Pumpkin  White Prism03/19/04 07:17 AM
.*What with our Culture and our charm and our brains  White Prism03/23/04 04:26 PM
.*Re: Invocation & Ritual Dance Of The Young Pumpkin  xray_yak03/19/04 11:42 AM
.*Re: Invocation & Ritual Dance Of The Young Pumpkin  DocFederfeld03/19/04 12:18 PM
.*Keh ?  xray_yak03/19/04 03:07 PM
.*A Lingering Lapse Of Agression  EJSundayModerator03/22/04 08:06 AM
.*Heck  poorsoul03/20/04 00:36 AM
.*Re: Invocation & Ritual Dance Of The Young Pumpkin  RabbitFighter03/19/04 12:48 PM
.*Re: Invocation & Ritual Dance Of The Young Pumpkin  AdamAdministrator03/19/04 07:33 AM
.*Re: Invocation & Ritual Dance Of The Young Pumpkin  Earthling on Fire03/19/04 11:08 AM
.*Re: Invocation & Ritual Dance Of The Young Pumpkin  Frank_Solo03/19/04 08:34 AM
.*Re: Kid A Dung  Emil03/19/04 07:01 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  TheYoungDude03/19/04 03:28 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  tonyinsf03/19/04 02:55 AM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  kipt03/20/04 08:10 PM
.*Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC?  TheYoungDude03/19/04 03:26 AM
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