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strangeDivine
(stardust savant)
04/25/04 03:38 PM
The Father's kingdom is within you and without [re: pianocraft]  

I love you pianocraft!

In reply to:

Adam: My only question is whether rejecting Christianity is inherantly evil or as you say - aligned with the devil - from anything other than a Christian sense.


I'd say that's a pretty accurate description of the mindset of the average Christian literalist. But it has no standing outside the fundamentalist Christian paradigm. If it weren't for our social conditioning, all philosophies would seem more or less on an equal playing field for posession of our hearts and minds. There's an excellent episode of the original Twilight Zone series, in which a biologic-male human in a soldier's uniform suddenly finds eirself inside a large, white cylinder, with several other people who are all strangely dressed: there is a person in a clown's suit, for instance. The soldier has no prior memories to being inside the cylinder, and upon questioning the others, ey finds out that they have no prior memories either and just "appeared" there one day. They had seemingly been there for ages and had never found a way out.

At the end of the episode, a hand reaches inside the cylinder and pulls the soldier into the wider world. As it turns out, they are all toys inside a charity bin on a street corner. That is the perfect description of life. We have no prior knowledge of anything before our manifestation in physical form, and we have no idea what, if anything, existed before our universe (white cylinder) appeared. One of the most simultaneously frightening and liberating realizations that one can have is that all of this is pure conjecture. Though, I'm a huge Jesus "fan."

In reply to:

riley: isn't it cheating to go from one religion to the other like a spoilt child?.


I woldn't say so. The search for meaning is inherently selfish, and whom does it primarily serve other than the searcher? Dogmatic systems compete memetically by trying to convince that they are the only viable system. If you decide that you want to try other things, or incorporate parts of systems to create your own, that's only as positive or negative as you decide it is.

I am curious about Bowie's use of the term Satanism, though. If I had to guess, I'd imagine that ey is referring eir interest in Crowleyism and Thelema, which are often referred to as being "Satanic" but most would probably disagree with that. I'm sure most people within the Church of Satan and Temple of Set type groups would disagree.

Then of course there's the Process Church of the Final Judgement that teaches that God, Jesus, and Satan are equal co-creaters.

But I have no idea what Bowie is talking about.

It's a campaign: it has nothing to do with art




 
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*Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   pianocraft04/25/04 07:20 AM
.*The truth in black and white (among other colors)  strangeDivine05/04/04 09:06 PM
.*Re: The truth in black and white (among other colors)  RabbitFighter05/05/04 04:48 AM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   streetPOET05/01/04 07:28 AM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   AnnLanders04/30/04 03:28 AM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   diamondogz7405/01/04 07:40 AM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   zimmo04/29/04 10:51 AM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   GodlessWonder04/29/04 11:23 AM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   diamondogz7404/29/04 01:04 PM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   riley04/29/04 01:53 PM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   diamondogz7404/30/04 07:59 AM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   zigbot04/26/04 04:00 PM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   tonyinsf04/28/04 02:39 AM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   pianocraft04/26/04 08:28 PM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   zigbot04/26/04 09:07 PM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   Starlite04/26/04 09:20 PM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   zigbot04/26/04 09:56 PM
.*Refined tastes  strangeDivine04/26/04 04:22 PM
.*Re: Refined tastes  zigbot04/26/04 08:19 PM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   hRtsfLtyleSn5604/26/04 03:49 PM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   bippity04/26/04 01:51 AM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   MichelleAlder04/25/04 07:04 PM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   Max_M04/25/04 07:22 PM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   Coan_teen04/25/04 07:46 PM
..The Father's kingdom is within you and without  strangeDivine04/25/04 03:38 PM
.*Re: The Father's kingdom is within you and without  riley04/26/04 01:01 AM
.*Re: The Father's kingdom is within you and without  ulfdub04/26/04 03:34 AM
.*Re: The Father's kingdom is within you and without  riley04/26/04 08:40 AM
.*Re: The Father's kingdom is within you and without  ulfdub04/28/04 05:14 AM
.*Re: The Father's kingdom is within you and without  riley04/28/04 07:55 AM
.*Re: The Father's kingdom is within you and without  ZiggyMercury04/28/04 10:03 PM
.*Re: The Father's kingdom is within you and without  zigbot04/28/04 10:14 PM
.*Re: The Father's kingdom is within you and without  ZiggyMercury04/28/04 11:01 PM
.*Snow  poorsoul04/29/04 03:53 AM
.*Re: Snow  ZiggyMercury04/30/04 01:26 AM
.*Re: Snow  ZiggyMercury04/29/04 04:24 AM
.*February  poorsoul04/30/04 02:18 AM
.*Re: February  ZiggyMercury04/30/04 02:37 AM
.*Relate  poorsoul04/30/04 03:27 AM
.*Re: Relate  ZiggyMercury04/30/04 05:17 AM
.*Re: Relate  Starlite04/30/04 06:51 AM
.*Re: Relate  ZiggyMercury04/30/04 02:37 PM
.*Re: Snow  mwfte04/29/04 04:41 AM
.*Re: Snow  ZiggyMercury04/29/04 05:13 AM
.*Re: Snow  riley04/29/04 12:24 PM
.*Re: Snow  ZiggyMercury04/29/04 06:14 PM
.*Re: Snow  riley04/30/04 10:42 AM
.*Re: Snow  ZiggyMercury04/30/04 02:44 PM
.*Re: Snow  riley04/30/04 03:06 PM
.*Re: Snow  ZiggyMercury04/30/04 04:17 PM
.*Re: Snow  riley05/01/04 05:57 AM
.*Once  poorsoul05/01/04 05:55 AM
.*Re: Once  ZiggyMercury05/01/04 05:13 PM
.*Re: Once  Tin05/01/04 07:31 AM
.*Re: Once  GodlessWonder05/01/04 10:30 AM
.*Pisces  poorsoul05/02/04 05:47 AM
.*Re: Once  riley05/01/04 06:05 AM
.*Again  poorsoul05/02/04 05:32 AM
.*Re: Again  riley05/02/04 11:33 AM
.*Liver  poorsoul05/03/04 05:17 AM
.*White man's got a God complex  White Prism04/30/04 03:25 PM
.*Re: White man's got a God complex  riley04/30/04 03:56 PM
.*Riley's got a grammar complex  White Prism04/30/04 04:27 PM
.*Re: Riley's got a grammar complex  riley05/01/04 05:46 AM
.*Kittens!  ZiggyMercury05/01/04 04:33 AM
.*Re: Kittens!  riley05/01/04 06:44 AM
.*Re: Kittens!  ZiggyMercury05/01/04 05:07 PM
.*Pointless arguments  pablopicasso05/01/04 05:59 AM
.*Pointlessfully inclined  strangeDivine05/01/04 07:25 PM
.*Re: Pointless arguments  ZiggyMercury05/01/04 05:10 PM
.*Re: Pointless arguments  Dara05/04/04 08:15 AM
.*Re: Pointless arguments  riley05/04/04 08:35 AM
.*Re: Pointless arguments  Dara05/04/04 08:38 AM
.*Re: Pointless arguments  Dan Dare05/01/04 06:59 PM
.*Re: Riley's got a grammar complex  zigbot04/30/04 05:16 PM
.*Re: Snow  ZiggyMercury04/29/04 06:21 PM
.*Re: Snow  RabbitFighter04/29/04 06:23 PM
.*Re: Snow  ZiggyMercury04/29/04 05:11 AM
.*Questions  strangeDivine04/29/04 02:42 PM
.*Re: Questions  riley04/29/04 02:51 PM
.*Re: Questions  strangeDivine04/29/04 03:37 PM
.*Re: The Father's kingdom is within you and without  dukewhite04/29/04 01:31 AM
.*JEWS!  ZiggyMercury04/29/04 03:20 AM
.*Re: The Father's kingdom is within you and without  zigbot04/29/04 00:19 AM
.*Re: The Father's kingdom is within you and without  dukewhite04/25/04 10:29 PM
.*Re: The Father's kingdom is within you and without  strangeDivine04/26/04 01:48 PM
.*Iran  poorsoul04/26/04 06:49 AM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   tonyinsf04/25/04 12:15 PM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   Coco8205/01/04 02:59 AM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   riley04/25/04 12:29 PM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   RabbitFighter04/25/04 12:37 PM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   riley04/25/04 12:50 PM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   RabbitFighter04/25/04 12:18 PM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   thinwhiteme04/25/04 11:56 AM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   Odinsdracodottir05/04/04 03:11 PM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   pianocraft05/04/04 04:54 PM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   RabbitFighter05/04/04 03:18 PM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   Odinsdracodottir05/04/04 04:14 PM
.*Told  poorsoul04/26/04 06:35 AM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   GodlessWonder04/25/04 08:53 AM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   RabbitFighter04/25/04 09:32 AM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   tonyinsf04/25/04 12:08 PM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   WoodJackson0304/25/04 09:53 AM
.*Station to Station Part II  AdamAdministrator04/25/04 07:46 AM
.*Imagination  poorsoul04/26/04 06:32 AM
.*Re: Station to Station Part II  RabbitFighter04/25/04 08:29 AM
.*Re: Station to Station Part II  Coan_teen04/29/04 04:40 PM
.*Re: Station to Station Part II  RabbitFighter04/29/04 04:54 PM
.*Re: Station to Station Part II  zigbot04/29/04 05:32 PM
.*Re: Station to Station Part II  RabbitFighter04/29/04 05:44 PM
.*Re: Station to Station Part II  diamondogz7404/26/04 03:26 PM
.*Re: Station to Station Part II  GodlessWonder04/26/04 04:29 PM
.*Translucent  poorsoul04/27/04 01:20 AM
.*Re: Translucent  diamondogz7404/29/04 08:46 AM
.*Re: Translucent  Si_rocks04/27/04 07:11 AM
.*Re: Translucent  diamondogz7404/29/04 08:43 AM
.*Pay now, die later  Dara04/27/04 08:22 AM
.*Re: Pay now, die later  Si_rocks04/27/04 10:14 AM
.*DAF  poorsoul04/28/04 02:18 AM
.*Re: Station to Station Part II  Coan_teen04/25/04 03:22 PM
.*Re: Station to Station Part II  RabbitFighter04/25/04 03:32 PM
.*Re: Bowie, Ellen, and the Devil   riley04/25/04 07:30 AM
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