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05/09/04 04:02 AM
Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's? [re: Emilio]  

I don't own a single Bowie album from the '80s apart from Scary Monsters, which is a great disc. I've heard them all at one point or another, and didn't find anything on them compelling enough to want to hear again. Quite frankly, Bowie didn't do "80's music" as well as a whole sh*tload of '80s artists did, including Eurythmics, Duran Duran and Culture Club.

That having been said, I think his big hits of the 80's were all fantastic examples of '80s pop some of the very best, particularly the singles off of Let's Dance. I just don't think he managed to assemble an album full of great pop music, and all his desperate experiments since then have just left me cold. Worse, they're all pretty pathetic when compared with artists like Kate Bush and Bjork, who went way, way beyond Bowie when it came to experimenting with technology and styles, and who nevertheless managed to produce tuneful, engaging music.

I think Heathen is the first halfway solid *album* Bowie has released since Scary Monsters, and even then it pales in comparison. If you compare his output to other '60s / '70s artists he ends up looking alright he's holding up better than Paul McCartney or the Stones, although even they manage to spin off another classic Stones track on every album but his work is almost embarrassing in comparison to that of '80s acts like Annie Lennox or Sting or Prince, who can all still assemble solid albums (Lennox's latest is brilliant).

Actually, come to think of it, there are plenty of '70s acts that can still pump out product better than Bowie's post-Scary Monsters output. The last Fleetwood Mac album was better than Heathen, even if it's too damn long and badly in need of Christine McVie's light pop charms, and the new Blondie record is the best thing any of them have been involved with since Autoamerican in 1981. I haven't picked up Bowie's latest yet none of the tracks I've sampled have grabbed me the way some of the tracks on Heathen did so it's possible he's still on an upswing after 1999's lethargic hours. He needs to concentrate on writing great melodies and interesting lyrics though, and leave the production to Visconti. I've seen waaaaaaay too much emphasis on style and not enough on content with *all* of his post-'79 material. Tracks like "Slow Burn" and "Slip Away" prove he can still write a decent tune. He desperately needs to save up an album's worth of tuneful material like that.

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*Was David really that bad in the 80's?  Emilio05/05/04 02:10 PM
..Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's?  sunspot05/09/04 04:02 AM
.*Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's?  AdamAdministrator05/09/04 12:53 PM
.*Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's?  Grey_Nihilist05/09/04 01:16 PM
.*Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's?  pablopicasso09/08/04 04:06 AM
.*Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's?  SysiyoModerator05/09/04 06:37 AM
.*Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's?  Kjartan05/08/04 06:35 PM
.*Absolute Beginners  jonasf05/09/04 02:17 AM
.*Swing  poorsoul05/09/04 02:13 AM
.*Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's?  bowiefanpeter05/07/04 05:29 AM
.*Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's?  SysiyoModerator05/06/04 01:19 PM
.*Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's?  dukewhite05/06/04 01:05 PM
.*Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's?  Dara05/06/04 08:20 AM
.*it was always 1982  AdamAdministrator05/06/04 07:55 AM
.*Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's?  Nature_Boy05/06/04 07:28 AM
.*Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's?  martyn05/06/04 07:19 AM
.*Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's?  Emilio05/06/04 03:18 PM
.*Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's?  Dara05/07/04 07:35 AM
.*Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's?  dukewhite05/06/04 03:24 PM
.*Spearheading the 80s  EJSundayModerator05/06/04 03:58 AM
.*Re: Spearheading the 80s  hangontoyourself05/07/04 02:07 PM
.*Utter Nonsense   diamondogz7405/06/04 09:55 AM
.*Re: Utter Nonsense   Max_M05/06/04 02:48 PM
.*Yes even that:-)  diamondogz7405/06/04 03:24 PM
.*Re: Utter Nonsense   GodlessWonder05/06/04 12:45 PM
.*Re: Utter Nonsense   RabbitFighter05/06/04 01:26 PM
.*Re: Utter Nonsense   SysiyoModerator05/06/04 02:17 PM
.*Clarity  poorsoul05/07/04 04:00 AM
.*Re: Clarity  Grey_Nihilist05/07/04 08:37 PM
.*Thorough  poorsoul05/08/04 07:41 AM
.*Re: Thorough  Grey_Nihilist05/08/04 04:02 PM
.*Re: Clarity  SysiyoModerator05/07/04 05:52 PM
.*Tough  poorsoul05/08/04 07:56 AM
.*80ies stuff  christiancode05/08/04 02:11 PM
.*Re: Utter Nonsense   pablopicasso05/06/04 02:15 PM
.*Re: Utter Nonsense   Tristan05/06/04 05:25 PM
.*Re: Utter Nonsense   pablopicasso05/06/04 05:39 PM
.*Re: Utter Nonsense   rockinhorse05/07/04 01:12 AM
.*Re: Utter Nonsense   ulfdub05/07/04 03:09 AM
.*Pleased to hear it:-)  diamondogz7405/06/04 12:59 PM
.*Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's?  Diamond_Dave05/05/04 06:25 PM
.*That's some blind, unbridled optimism you've got  twister09/08/04 01:44 PM
.*For in truth, a Heathen is nothing  AdamAdministrator09/08/04 08:57 PM
.*Damn right, HEATHEN IS NOTHING!  twister09/09/04 02:59 PM
.*WIld muatation (as a rock and roll star)  Phaedrus7609/09/04 02:57 AM
.*Re: The children of the summer's end...   OleanderWhoosh09/09/04 07:18 PM
.*Re: WIld muatation (as a rock and roll star)  th0mas09/09/04 10:45 AM
.*A more scientific approach  White Prism09/08/04 03:26 PM
.*Taste the floor  White Prism05/08/04 04:33 PM
.*Re: Taste the floor..maybe you should?  05/09/04 03:26 AM
.*I take my aim and I fake my words  White Prism05/09/04 05:46 AM
.*Re: I take my aim and I fake my words  pablopicasso05/09/04 06:08 AM
.*Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's?  ZiggyMercury05/05/04 05:58 PM
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