Nick Cave: ...we just kicked [Phill Calvert] out and then left for Germany. He had no say in the matter.
Tim Aanstedt: But you had been with him right from the start, right?
Nick Cave: Yeah.
Tim Aanstedt: So wasn't that kind of difficult?
Nick Cave: Well, I mean, I didn't have to do it, actually. Mick [Harvey] did it. So I wasn't there. I don't know if it was difficult or not. Mick just told him, and then we played one concert, and then I never saw him again. So I'm not peeved about the whole thing.
Tim Aanstedt: Do you have any comments on the band he joined?
Nick Cave: Well, there's something I kind of like about The Psychedelic Furs. I don't know what it is; it's probably the lyrics on the first record, which I quite like for some reason. Fairly pervert sort of lyrics. I think the group's music leaves a bit to be desired.
Tim Aanstedt:Do you think he's probably happier with them?
Nick Cave: I don't know. I really don't know what he's doing. He's obviously got it made with them in the sense that he's -- I talked to him on the phone once, he called, and he was saying that he had done a 22-date tour of America, and now he's doing a 30-date tour of Australia, and he's coming back straight after it to do another 20 dates in America. So I said, "How can you possibly do that?" And he said, "Aw, it's all right when they treat you well, living in the Hilton and driving around in limousines," and all that sort of shit.
Tim Aanstedt: Well, when you're in with Todd Rundgren, it's life in the fast lane.
Rowland S. Howard: David Bowie's going to produce their next album.
Nick Cave: Is he? Well, I'm totally jealous.
The Offense, April 1983