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Teenage Wildlife Guestbook November 2000

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The feature, right-hand column story on Page One of today's Wall Street Journal mentions Bowie in the lead paragraph. Very first sentence, in fact. Without reading it, even a casual fan could guess that the story would be about securitized tax liens. Not nearly enough Bowie content, but then again, securitizing "Panic in Detroit" and the like isn't nearly as sexy as advanced sales of tax liens on houses in Jersey City. But it's still by far the best story about tax liens I've ever read.
rancell (Posted from IP: 206.234.239.150)
NYC, NY USA - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 15:06:27 (EST)
Happy Belated Birthday Angy, and a happy Birthday to Frida too!
Kali, I'm not in hiding, just trying franctically to get everything done before the end of the semester! As a result, I have no life to speak of, even online! And Bew, I am glad that the Canadian election didn't turn out like the US one - but still, I don't feel that my vote counted for much, because we have a first-past-the-post system, and with all the conservative vote splitting, the Liberals got in again anyways (but, not like I was supporting the conservative or alliance parties anyways). I voted Green, and I'd love to see a proportial representation system put into place instead, so at least a Green party member or two can get into Parliament!

Alys (alpalmer@ucalgary.ca) (Posted from IP: 207.34.94.239)
Calgary, AB CANADA - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 14:07:23 (EST)
Fridaaaaa! Happy Birthday!!!! :-)
Kali (Posted from IP: 24.4.252.80)
USA - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 12:30:04 (EST)
Alys!!!!! How the hell are ya!!!! Nice to see you come out of hiding :-)
Kali (Posted from IP: 24.4.252.80)
USA - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 12:29:47 (EST)
Dara, aren't you forgetting the famous "Foster Is Dead" rumours of the late 60's? What about when Allen said they were bigger than Buddha?
Mattie (westacot@central.murdoch.edu.au) (Posted from IP: 203.12.222.214)
Perth, Australia - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 10:23:39 (EST)
I don't think I actually said that the Beatles being in the top 10 represented over-achievement, Mattie. I said that in the past they have tended to over-achieve (by always winning these types of polls up till a year or two). #3 (or maybe #4) looks about right to me. Non-Beatles influenced bands? How about your own personal favourites - Foster and Allen?
Dara (Posted from IP: 212.120.146.242)
Dublin, Ireland - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 10:18:29 (EST)
And, happy birthday Angie! And Alys, looks like you Canadians managed in one day what the people south of the border haven't managed in almost a month ;)
Bew (bewlay@online.no) (Posted from IP: 158.36.69.58)
Oslo, Norway - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 09:36:51 (EST)
Interesting points, both Mattie and Dara. But I do feel that Bowie's popularity on the poll is not just because people are finally owning up to him, but because he's also become that "safe and cool" option that Dara feels the Beatles are. Maybe it's because the distance to his crap 80ies records have become big enough for people to admit their fandom without shame, rather than a result of Bowie being great again in the 90ies. He made 2 great albums in the 90ies, "Buddha..." and "Outside", but the rest are hardly good enough to make an impression on anyone. However, it's always nice to see him get some credit.
Bew (bewlay@online.no) (Posted from IP: 158.36.69.58)
Oslo, Norway - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 09:35:17 (EST)
HAPPY BIRTHDAY ANGY !!! now you're older than me again !! :-) now get those decorations up NOW !!
Jeaj (jeej@globalnet.co.uk) (Posted from IP: 195.147.146.32)
Falkirk, yet ANOTHER election land - SCOTLAND :-) - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 19:01:37 (EST)
You bet Kelmar, We will hang. Last June was a wash for me during the Roseland shows cause of work, but I have a new job and life is better. Been reading about Rocky Horror and it sounds fun will have to check it out. See ya!
Niteflite (bowieno@billburg.com) (Posted from IP: 204.141.126.250)
ny, ny USA - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 16:43:31 (EST)
Niteflite- I was just in NYC hanging with Bowie friends over Thanksgiving! I totally forgot you live there. Let's keep in touch, chief! I get up there frequently and would love to finally meet IRL. Oh and if you get a chance, check out Rocky Horror Picture Show on Broadway, it ROCKED! Get front row, you are almost in the play!
KMSV (kelmar666@davidbowie.com) (Posted from IP: 209.3.111.187)
USA - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 15:53:05 (EST)
Happy Birthday, Angy!!! :-)
Kali (Posted from IP: 24.13.84.154)
USA - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 12:35:18 (EST)
Dara, your comments are interesting but saying that the presence of the Beatles in the top 10's of things like is an over-achievement is a bit rich. I challenge you to find any current band or recording artist in the world that are not influenced by the Beatles in some way, whether they admit to it or not. Even being anti-Beatles is still being influenced by them. The Beatles have been the benchmark for Rock'N'Roll (in all its forms) since 1962 and will continue to be so probably in perpetuity. Personally I think the Beatles' not topping the poll is an under-achievement despite my own personal preference for Bowie, because as Bowie said (and you pointed out) bands lie about their influences. Right now I don't think choosing the Beatles is a safe cool option at all particularly since the demise of Oasis and Britpop (and the fact that the Beatles' are currently outselling the lot of them - it's never cool to support the most popular). To me it's more of a cliché to choose someone who is a bit unexpected: Nick Drake anyone? Today's music scene is comprised mainly of introspective singer-songwriters? Drake is a personal favourite of mine but I struggle to find much hint of his influence in the works of today's current recording artists particularly those polled by NME. The poll actually asked for who had the most influence over the current music scene, not who was the most influential ever (hence the inclusion of the younger bands). In this respect it would be much more refreshing to my mind if bands were actually honest about who they were being influenced by, which is why I welcome Bowie topping the list (despite the fact seeing the artist who has influenced my own life the most - and I don't think that's a sycophantic exaggeration because I have been listening to Bowie pretty much continuously since I was four years old - gives me a certain feeling of smugness) and I also welcome the inclusion of the Beatles.
Mattie (westacot@central.murdoch.edu.au) (Posted from IP: 203.59.210.8)
Perth, Australia - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 11:33:41 (EST)
Gordon Bennett, I missed the fleeting appearance of Mattie and Flossie! Long time no see, you happy couple. Drop me a note when you get the time.
Dara (Posted from IP: 212.120.146.242)
Ireland - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 11:27:49 (EST)
Hallo Mattie and Flossie! lovely to see you again! xoxoxo
And now, Canada's parliament has been elected, and our prime minister chosen - all in a 24hr period... pretty cool, except for the first-past-the-post voting system...

Alys (alpalmer@ucalgary.ca) (Posted from IP: 136.159.123.100)
Calgary, AB CANADA - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:10:04 (EST)
That NME Musicians poll is garnering a lot of very favourable reaction and publicity for Bowie over here right now. When I was on the train this morning, a local DJ played two Bowie songs (Ziggy and Young Americans) and talked about the poll, saying it "confirmed what people in the know already knew - that Bowie is the musician's musician". Bowie raised an interesting point in his NME interview for the poll, about bands lying about their influences. That's always been true. In the late 80s and early 90s when Bowie was seen as desperately uncool, bands stopped citing him as an influence for fear of being uncool by association even though he was as big an influence as ever on the scene. The fact that more and more bands like Radiohead are fessing up to Bowie as the influence underlines the rehabilitation his career and reputation has undergone since the mid 90s. Conversely, groups like the Beatles always overachieve in polls like this, because they're seen as the safe cool option, so you have bands drawing little or no influence from them still citing them (also helps to make themselves attractive to what is still the world's largest captive fanbase). This works the other way too - young bands refusing to credit slightly older bands because they don't want to be labelled as Radiohead clones or Aphex Twin copyists so instead they pretend they're into older bands again like Pink Floyd. That's why I personally found it refreshing to see a few younger bands in the list. Lists comprised purely of ancient white rockers who haven't made an interesting record in 30 years are such a cliche at this stage.
Dara (Posted from IP: 212.120.146.242)
Dublin, Ireland - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 09:15:53 (EST)
I'm probably out on my own here, but I think the fact that Pullman has moved his legal fight with Zysblat over the discovery of Bowie Bonds to where it belongs, the hallowed lineage of society columns masquerading as business news, is really entertaining. See the New York Observer article at http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=3450. Bill P. is definitely winning the PR battle, what with that CNN magazine show fawning all over him earlier this fall when he hasn't done a deal anyone has noticed in ages. But Bill Z., which is to say Bowie, wins in the long run. Bill P. will have to settle for a paltry seven-figure income, barely qualifying him as the investment banker he claims to be. Without the press, he'd be off those charity daises pronto. Meanwhile, it's very interesting that musicians, at least anonymously, say that Bowie influenced them more than Miles and the Beatles. At least they're fairly consistent in recent years.
rancell (Posted from IP: 206.234.239.150)
NYC, NY USA - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 11:52:08 (EST)
hi mattie and flossie...i remember you and flossie from many summers ago. i'm sure evan does too. especially flossie. :-)
patti (pattibowie@home.com) (Posted from IP: 24.4.252.12)
- Sunday, November 26, 2000 at 15:16:45 (EST)
Congratulations Evan on the 3 million mark. Hi to all those who remember this site as the David Bowie File many summers ago.
Mattie and Flossie (westacot@central.murdoch.edu.au) (Posted from IP: 203.59.210.8)
Perth, Australia - Sunday, November 26, 2000 at 08:16:52 (EST)
Hey eveyone. Which album do you prefer: Sapce Oddity, Diamond Dogs or Alladin Sane. ??????????? I'm in desperate need of David Bowie music but I don't know which of these CDs to get. My favourite Bowie songs are Rebel Rebel, Space Oddity, Ashes to Ashes, Right, China Girl, Hang on to Yourself and Criminal World. Opinions anyone?!!!
Zoey (Posted from IP: 139.134.123.189)
Australia - Sunday, November 26, 2000 at 02:10:43 (EST)
Hey Bowie is the greatest!! I've played in numerous bands all wanting (but never succeding) to sound like Bowie. all the credit you deserve
mike (buckwheatmusic@hotmail.com) (Posted from IP: 212.32.172.155)
sweden - Friday, November 24, 2000 at 15:13:06 (EST)
Bowie, you have been, you are and always be heavenly handsom and your songs are very nice. Thanks to God !
Anne JIDKOFF (Posted from IP: 194.199.4.3)
USA - Friday, November 24, 2000 at 03:12:52 (EST)
ROFLMAO!
Kali (Posted from IP: 24.4.252.80)
Oh, the temptation..., USA - Thursday, November 23, 2000 at 12:43:44 (EST)
If anyone wants to know more about me and my tits, please email me -reply guaranteed
Tiffany 'Big tits' (tiffanyj@ask.co.uk) (Posted from IP: 62.252.32.5)
Swansea, Uk - Thursday, November 23, 2000 at 08:18:35 (EST)
I just wanted to talk to other David Bowie fans. If any of you would like to take pity on me, and send me an e-mail, I would be grateful. I don't have any friends that like David Bowie at all.... I mostly only go to Ska shows with them. Are there any Bowie/Ska fans here? Please talk to me! I'm just going to take a chance and throw this out there though.... Why does everyone hate the NEVER LET ME DOWN album? I really like it. There I said it. uhhhhh Yeah.
Nerissa (FunWithSmack44@teenagewildlife.com) (Posted from IP: 165.236.189.201)
Like I'd tell, Ca USA - Thursday, November 23, 2000 at 00:50:56 (EST)
Shit... I only just realized after all this time I've been spelling my own name wrong. I must've been feeling a bit "woolly-headed" lol. What a dag (bwahahaha!!)
SoulLoveChild (soullovechild@teenagewildlife.com) (Posted from IP: 203.55.111.6)
Australia - Wednesday, November 22, 2000 at 18:33:01 (EST)
Baaa-baaa baaa-baaaa baaa-baaaaaaaaa baba!!!!! (I'm closer to NZ ;) )
SouLoveChild (soullovechild@teenagewildlife.com) (Posted from IP: 203.55.111.6)
Australia - Wednesday, November 22, 2000 at 18:30:51 (EST)
Toy and The Wounds of Love: The wounds of love are real. Lovesickness is a real dis-ease. Even when the beloved is present, the lover still grasps at SIMULACRA. The lover is a TOY in Venus's hands, who excites in him an empty craving for IMAGES. The songs on Toy invoke Simulacrums, Mirror-Images, Shadows of A Second Self, Amorphous Counterparts. The Toy merely starts off as a "point of view," "an object of thought." "Should I retrace my point of view?" "Im left in clouded dreams..." "Flesh meets the spirit/I slip from a vacant view." Some say the view is crazy--to "believe" without sufficient evidence; to imagine (something that is unreal). Who is this fallacy of vision that leads astray--"a great mistake we never make?" The reckless capers of the comic-heroic harlequin? "Columbine, My Prayer Design, I see you see me--Is it you that I'm Walking Through?" "Was she never there--was she ever?" Who is this airy spirit, this ideal image of passionate devotion? Just a Toy in the realm of far-fetched fantasies!
Nevada Kerr (Posted from IP: 198.112.12.10)
USA - Wednesday, November 22, 2000 at 10:42:01 (EST)
KMSV you make sound like having my thumb up my ass is a bad thing. Don't make fun of my hobbbies...happy T-Day
NITEFLITE (bowieno@billburg.com) (Posted from IP: 204.141.126.250)
ny, ny USA - Wednesday, November 22, 2000 at 10:35:08 (EST)
It is important to keep in MIND that the TOY has NO "REAL" VALUE. It's VALUE is in the "UNREAL." The TOY is the "Shadow" taking "Form." The figurine, mannikin, doll... The Toy is a gift of the imagination--taking shape between the blank spaces. The Toy is the magical tool of the holy fool--the Sacred Zero's "Stuff and Nonsense." Well, of course, it is only stuff and nonsense to the "untrained eye," that perceives the toy as the baseless fabric of a vision. The Dreamers "dreams" are "cloud-formed." The Toy is a "mis-construction," "a grand illusion," to those that want "certainty." For those who are comfortable with fleeting glimpses, dimmer states of illumination, the toy offers passage into a twilight world of bold imaginings--such stuff as dreams are made of in the "minds eye." Such a brain-storm requires de-rangement! The Romancer and the Visionary thrive in the Shadows! They give to "AIRY NOTHING," "THE TOY," a local habitation and a name! There's something in the air--a high flying DREAMER DREAMING!
Nevada Kerr (Posted from IP: 198.112.12.10)
USA - Wednesday, November 22, 2000 at 10:01:10 (EST)
Great job Evan! If it weren't for you, we'd all be sitting at work all day with our thumbs up our asses! Thanks to you, we have something to do for eight hours! ;-)
KMSV (Posted from IP: 209.3.111.185)
USA - Wednesday, November 22, 2000 at 08:26:12 (EST)
Congrats Evan. And SLC - you're right, we need to attract Evan's attention. Is it your turn or mine to dress up as a sheep?
Dara (Posted from IP: 212.120.146.242)
Dublin, Ireland - Wednesday, November 22, 2000 at 06:40:59 (EST)
Just read your announcement, Evan! Congratulations on hittin' 3 million! Between your work and the contributions you get, this is by far the BEST website in existance on ANY topic. Keep up the great work!
Kali (Posted from IP: 24.4.252.80)
USA - Tuesday, November 21, 2000 at 19:30:27 (EST)
congrats on the 3M mark evan!!! we appreciate all your efforts and hard work which is why we keep coming back. this is and always will be my favorite web site. you freakin' rule!!! :-)
patti (pattibowie@home.com) (Posted from IP: 24.4.252.12)
- Tuesday, November 21, 2000 at 17:35:09 (EST)
In Memory of Bobby Wayne Simmons

Melissa (
mre2you69@aol.com) (Posted from IP: 64.244.1.137)
Bristow, OK USA - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 19:08:55 (EST)
Thanks Dara.... I actually got my info from this site!! The music section credits the writing to db - perhaps we'd better let Evan know. :-)
SouLoveChild (soullovechild@teenagewildlife.com) (Posted from IP: 203.55.111.4)
Australia - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 17:13:52 (EST)
SLC - "Love Song" is a cover, but so is "Life Is A Circus". The original version is by an obscure American band called Djin. Legend has it that it was Tony Visconti who introduced their work to Bowie.
Dara (Posted from IP: 212.120.146.242)
Dublin, Ireland - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 10:13:24 (EST)
hi! used to know davie jones when he was a boy - he was my troup-leader in the cubs no less! - and we played football down the little rec, and even baseball in '62. have been writing a book and noticed that I gotten things muddled up when I read the various biographies of the guys who became famous enough to reach such lofty heights. need to sort it all out. therefore would like to chew the cud with david, graham rivens, teacup, and one of my oldest friends, phil lancaster. I was only 5 when I first met phil (who was a year or so older) and he took me under his wing. I couldn't speak english but he understood me anyway. he wasn't happy with david the last time we met, he'd just dumped them. but I read differently now about this, on the net. most confusing. if I got that wrong, what else haveI got wrong...my whole book??? need to sort it. I live at steken 1/D, S-42438 agnesberg, sweden, and have fax 46 31 3301967. love to hear from the guys. they know me better as 'SPARROW' bye!
sverre helgesen (sverre_helgesen@hotmail.com) (Posted from IP: 202.0.186.25)
gothenburg, sweden - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 04:58:25 (EST)
hi! used to know davie jones when he was a boy - he was my troup-leader in the cubs no less! - and we played football down the little rec, and even baseball in '62. have been writing a book and noticed that I gotten things muddled up when I read the various biographies of the guys who became famous enough to reach such lofty heights. need to sort it all out. therefore would like to chew the cud with david, graham rivens, teacup, and one of my oldest friends, phil lancaster. I was only 5 when I first met phil (who was a year or so older) and he took me under his wing. I couldn't speak english but he understood me anyway. he wasn't happy with david the last time we met, he'd just dumped them. but I read differently now about this, on the net. most confusing. if I got that wrong, what else haveI got wrong...my whole book??? need to sort it. I live at steken 1/D, S-42438 agnesberg, sweden, and have fax 46 31 3301967. love to hear from the guys. they know me better as 'SPARROW' bye!
sverre helgesen (sverre_helgesen@hotmail.com) (Posted from IP: 202.0.186.25)
gothenburg, sweden - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 04:56:35 (EST)
BTW "Life Is a Circus" is too a David Bowie song. And yes, he did record it on his bed with Hutch. And a gem it is too. I think if you look hard enough you may realise that "Love Song" was the cover song recorded at that session. All apologies can be emailed to me :P
SouLoveChild (soullovechild@teenagewildlife.com) (Posted from IP: 203.55.111.3)
Australia - Friday, November 17, 2000 at 16:57:51 (EST)
The "Toy" album reveals that there is a "darkness" within "endearment." Often Love's "honeyed words" are merely "sweet nothings." Pretty names for Pretty Things. "Think about the Sex Thing--Think about a reason to see you tonight." "Wish I'd sent a valentine, I love you." The amorous ditty reveals a tale of "passion pants," and "naked eyes." But it also bespeaks a story of "Survival." The Protagonist survives the great mistake he never made. Mad Love Ensnares and Is Sexually Enslaving--hence the attraction-repulsion! "She/He who Toys with" is AFTER YOUR HEART! But Love is Not Loving! The "Flaming Dove" Burns! "It's just the Power To Charm." Toying Around implies sexual indulgence and easy virtue: "The whores of Amsterdam who've given their bodies to a thousand other men." "Tessie turns tricks with a soul like ice." "You made a bad connection--I just want your sex." Bowie reveals the "soul dissipation" of his youth. Endless bed hopping: "I put all I had in another bed." "Toy" un-veils the Bordello!
Nevada Kerr (Posted from IP: 198.112.12.10)
USA - Friday, November 17, 2000 at 12:59:23 (EST)
There is a thin line between "THE TOY" and "THE ONE WHO TOYS WITH." The "One who toys with" must move beyond his/her narcissism/egotism. Often the TOY is treated like a "spoiled child," a mere "pet." The mutual attraction between the TOY and the FLIRT may be more mutual "affectation" than mutual "affection." It is often "FASCINATION," and "IDOLATRY." Maybe even a love-hate relationship like "PUNCH AND JUDY." A lot of "rumpy-pumpy" and "nooky." Endless "coquettish glances." But not the real thing. The Flatterer is hoping for conquest. His/her AMOUR is ARMORED! It is all Intrigue and Seduction but no Faithfulness! The Coquette seeks a Captive. "Femme Fatales emerged from shadows to watch this creature fair; boys stood upon their chairs to make their point of view." "I smiled sadly for a "love" I could not OBEY. The Tale of Harlequin and Columbine reveals the elaborate/intricate archetypes of the tragic-comic lovers--the fated toys. The Story un-veils the darkness within "THE LIGHT OF ONE'S LIFE..."
Nevada Kerr (Posted from IP: 198.112.12.10)
USA - Friday, November 17, 2000 at 12:33:25 (EST)
If you are into Nu-Metal then check out SETH at www.seth1.co.uk
SETH (seth@seth2.co.uk) (Posted from IP: 195.147.219.138)
Glasgow, Scotland - Friday, November 17, 2000 at 12:17:03 (EST)
As much as I hate to do research, I did go to the Archive's home page at http://www.arcmusic.org, and sure enough, Bowie was hosting, not necessarily performing, at the Archive's affair at SOBs on Tuesday. SOBs' page at www.sobs.com confirms it was closed Tuesday for a private affair. If it's so, good for him. A friend of mine bought a signed copy of Pinups at one of the archive sales last year. That's as close as I can come to a Bowie connection, which perhaps is explained on the site. Did everyone know about this, but I missed it entirely? If I didn't miss anything and this site and Bowienet and all the others were left in the dark about this, why does Bowie do PR on shameful crud-ola like the Fashion Awards, but hide his good deeds?
rancell (Posted from IP: 206.234.239.150)
NYC, NY USA - Thursday, November 16, 2000 at 17:38:13 (EST)
This was an unbelievable week for live performances in NYC, very hard to choose what to go to. But did anybody notice this listing in the NY Press last week, for this past Tuesday night? **ARCHIVE OF CONTEMPORARY MUSIC’S BENEFIT PARTY Feat. David Bowie w/performances by Chic; S.O.B.’s, 200 Varick St. (Houston St.), 212-243-4940; 7:30-11:30, $150-$5000.** I suppose if anything had happened, we would have heard of it by now. Where does this stuff come from, anyway?
rancell (Posted from IP: 206.234.239.150)
NYC, NY USA - Thursday, November 16, 2000 at 15:08:21 (EST)
Oh sorry. That's Evan. I guess I was subconsciously putting that second "F" in Pafford for that other fellow. My bad.
KMSV (Posted from IP: 209.3.111.185)
USA - Thursday, November 16, 2000 at 11:50:46 (EST)
Hey Fvan- when are you getting some new T-shirts, Chief? I spilled red wine on my old one... If you're not making new ones, I'll just order a new old one. :)
KMSV (Posted from IP: 209.3.111.185)
USA - Thursday, November 16, 2000 at 11:44:53 (EST)
I wonder how far back David will go in his treasure-chest of 60's songs. The period from 1964-1966 is fertile ground for the Toy Album. I was thinking of such songs as "I Pity The Fool," "That's Where My Heart Is," "Bars Of The County Jail," "You've Got A Habit Of Leaving," and "Glad I've Got Nobody." All those songs are wonderfully playful and ironic especially "Glad I've Got Nobody." These very early songs are even less "known" than Silly Boy, London Boys, Come and Buy My Toys, Let Me Sleep, and Karma Man. Also the early stuff is even less "sophisticated." The songs are extravagantly simple!
Nevada Kerr (Posted from IP: 198.112.12.10)
USA - Thursday, November 16, 2000 at 11:20:59 (EST)
MESSAGE FOR STEVE PAFORD: WHERE THE BLODDY 'ELL IS MY 'CRANKIN OUT'? Im sure there are plenty of people wanting to know 'WHATS REALLY HAPPENING?'
Gaz B (garethbird@hotmail.com) (Posted from IP: 195.40.16.202)
Manchester, England, UK - Thursday, November 16, 2000 at 07:30:56 (EST)
Pictures of Lily is not a David Bowie song either but he's still recorded it for inclusion on TOY!! There are not many Bowie albums without a cover song on them, or one of his own old songs re-recorded.
SouLoveChild (soullovechild@teenagewildlife.com) (Posted from IP: 203.55.111.3)
Australia - Wednesday, November 15, 2000 at 17:23:52 (EST)
Okey Dont be afraid i copy your email from a guestbook of 80s underground music.. I dont remember where exactly Im peruvian..and these email is for your help about the music that we like or enjoyed I have 27 years old and me and my ex boyfriend...start listening all the 80s group until these years..alll the underground music Ethereal, new wave, synt h pop, dark, electronic, darkwave, post punk, techno etc. Yes groups like pig bag, and also the trees, clan of xymox, ataraxia, spacemen 3, slowdive, gothes erben, clan of xymox, scars, chameleons, skeletal family, the pop group, parade ground, zinno, cetu javu, spiritualized, etc.. But like those groups never arrive here Thats the matter caus e i write to you for your help about music videos Live performance in video tape Can you send me a copy of your music videos? Ill expect your help and thanks.. Really thanks Pd. Hey i can show you the beauty of the ethereal place called macchu picchu Here in peru... I can .. Thanks Again Email me soon ¡!
maggiecht@latinmail.com I´M LOOKING FOR LIVE PERFORMANCES IN VIDEOS of any indie group, ethereal, dark, synth pop, new wave, 80s..etc...help me pleaseª (maggiecht@latinmail.com ) (Posted from IP: 200.0.118.60)
LIMA, PERU - Wednesday, November 15, 2000 at 16:20:53 (EST)
Life Is A Circus is not a David Bowie song, even though he sang it in his bedroom.
A man in an anorak (anal@retentive.com) (Posted from IP: 195.194.68.21)
London, UK - Wednesday, November 15, 2000 at 14:00:26 (EST)
TOY implies ACTING WITHOUT FULL ATTENTION OR SERIOUS EXERTION OF ONE'S POWERS. TOY suggests Indulging in thoughts/plans merely as an AMUSEMENT. TOY implies AN INTEREST OR ATTENTION THAT SOON PASSES TO ANOTHER OBJECT. Toy implies Attracting interest without serious intention. Of course, once again, he's telling you exactly what he's up to. It is Bowie's intent to delude and mislead, to handle his fans idly. Again we are being mocked and tricked. What do you expect from someone who tells lies! Bowie is a Flirt and a Coquet and no matter what he does he always attracts our admiration. And last but not least, Toy implies playfulness, unconcern, and maybe even indulgent contempt. You want DARK--That's as dark as it gets! Wonderful, simply wonderful!
Nevada Kerr (Posted from IP: 198.112.12.10)
USA - Wednesday, November 15, 2000 at 10:06:18 (EST)
JEAJ!!!!!!!!! Hope ya had a bonnie birthday!!!!!! I had a shot of Atholl Brose in your honour! ;-)
Kali (Posted from IP: 24.4.252.80)
USA - Tuesday, November 14, 2000 at 23:28:54 (EST)
Happy Birthday JEAJ :-)))))))) Hope you've had a great day :-))))))) Love & Hugs Spidey & Don XXXXXXXXXXX, and purrrrrs from M & M =^..^= =^..^=
Spidey & Don (Spidey@davidbowie.com) (Posted from IP: 213.122.149.139)
UK - Tuesday, November 14, 2000 at 13:23:15 (EST)
Look Toy sounds so boring. He should get a haircut and get exciting again. hours... was quaint, but not too challenging, and now it's time to get back to the twenty first century. Eartling, Outside, Buddah of Suburbia are the new triliogy of onset experimentation. hours now Toy seem so droll in comparison. bring back eno, reeves, trent. Do not become the likes of Elton, sting, phil colllins, or gasp bon Jovi....
A Lad in Vein (bowieno@billburg.com) (Posted from IP: 204.141.126.250)
Crack City , NY USA - Tuesday, November 14, 2000 at 12:30:54 (EST)
YES!!! LAD!!! YES!!! Somebody out there sees my point of view!!! As for "Outside," Cainy," I agree. I think Eno and Bowie took and interesting concept in the beginning and stretched it a bit too lllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggggggggggggg...
thedetective (radioaddict50@hotmail.com) (Posted from IP: 12.23.160.196)
Madison, WI USA - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 19:01:33 (EST)
I think toy will Suck! I am sorry, but hasn't bowie always said something about not revisiting his past? I mean come on lets hear something new, something different. How about cotamination? Bring back Reeves!
A Lad in Vein (Posted from IP: 204.141.126.250)
Crack City , NY USA - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 15:47:49 (EST)
Does anybody else hate those narration points on the "Outside" album, they are so cringe worthy!!
Cainy (Posted from IP: 212.126.144.12)
Liverpool, UK - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 13:48:21 (EST)
Oh, and by the way... Bowie in 1966... "Love You 'Til Tuesday." Beatles in 1966... "Tomorrow Never Knows." No comparison! :) Still, I see where you're coming from!
TheDetective (radioaddict50@hotmail.com) (Posted from IP: 12.23.165.5)
Madison, WI USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 15:45:39 (EST)
Wow! I've caused quite a stir here! Actually, I am very much looking forward to "Toy," as I do with any other Bowie release. (I stood in line for the 3-disc "At The Beeb" it's night of release, and I'm sure I'll do the same for "Toy.") But, surely, our favorite artist does have periods of dull(er) creativity. To respond to your defense of David, I'm sure it was David's choice to use a full pit-band for "Tuesday," because in some of his early performances for the BBC (as evident on "Beeb"), David brought along a full pit-band. Surely, if he hated the sound on "Tuesday" and other early recordings, he would have scrapped the band in favor of something a bit scaled down. In response to the other comment, no, I don't hate all of his early work. "Man of Words, Man of Music" (known now as "Space Oddity") is filled with promising work... "Unwashed And Somewhat Slightly Dazed" is an early gem. And his early singles... "Memory Of A Free Festival" in particular. Yes, I've heard the '99 live revamps of "Can't Help Thinking About Me" and other tunes, but they just didn't hold up on the set list compared to "Survive" and "Thursday's Child." And they didn't hold a candle to live versions of "Life On Mars," "Ashes To Ashes" or "Little Wonder." I like "Hours..." and think it has some memorable moments. Not as good as "Earthling," but it holds up. I truly think that Bowie was trying a bit to hard to blow people's minds in 1966 and '67. He threw everything into the production and buried the songs at times. Plus, while his lyrics were honest, they sometimes crossed the line into obvious. Maybe he'll change the arrangements and boost the quality of these early indications of his future greatness. We'll see. But just so you know, Mr. Jones, I eagerly await your new material...
TheDetective (radioaddict50@hotmail.com) (Posted from IP: 12.23.165.5)
Madison, WI USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 15:42:20 (EST)
Mr Detective: the 'french horns and vibes' you mentioned were just the tools of the day, from a studio that was not quite sure what to do with someone as young as Bowie.The integrity of the song remains intact. Had Bowie recorded 'love you till tuesday' in 'mad' Joe Meek's bathroom studio (as his backing band 'the buzz'), the sound would have been very different.Its now full circle as 'toys' were recorded in a home made studio.
Miss Stubbs (Posted from IP: 212.211.14.43)
USA - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 14:35:08 (EST)
Interesting thoughts Detective. I find it sad that you imply Bowie's entire back 60's catalogue revolves solely around one song. The beauty of Bowie's writing of the era was the honesty of the lyrics, the simplicity of the music, and it's a tad more imaginative than eg:" I Wanna Hold Your Hand". (*Settle down* - I love the Beatles!) This music deserves to be listened to again by us all with new ears. I have had the majority of these tracks for more than 15 years now.... and even before the announcement of Toy I was again loving MOST of the old stuff in a new light. I for one can't wait to hear TOY. Detective, have you been lucky enough to hear (or better still see live) the 1999 live versions of "Can't Help Thinking About Me"? There was a passion and excitment on those recordings which have fuelled the spark for this recording. I do believe (well, I must admit I do HOPE!!) people will be amazed by this cd. I do believe it will be in cd players long after 'hours...' is collecting dust on the shelf (isn't it already??!). If songs like "Columbine" (heart-breakingly beautiful and a 'new' track to a lot of people due to it's relative rarity)or Life Is A Circus make it the final release we are in for a TREAT!! Listen again to When I live My Dream, Right On Mother, Come And Buy My Toys and my alltime fave Let Me SLeep Beside You.... you could pleasantly surprise yourself!! It stands up a lot stronger than some of his more recent work because of the hidden strengths in the writing.
SouLoveChild (soullovechild@teenagewildlife.com) (Posted from IP: 203.55.111.4)
Australia - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 08:05:35 (EST)
Oh, "Miss." I beg to differ. The song is overstuffed musically with a corny string section, a French Horn and vibes. Contrast it with Space Oddity two years later and it sounds simply foolish. Listening to plastic lines like "Don't be afraid of the man in the moon, because it's only me!" makes me blush, stop the CD and grab "Hunky Dory"! Then the aweful afterthought at the end... "But I might stretch it 'til a Wednesday..." This tune almost sounds like a throwaway track for a Disney film. And he could have come up with more words at the end, instead of repeating, "Luv, luv, luv, luv, love you 'til Tuesday... Luv, luv, luv, luv, love you 'til Tuesday." If you want to hear more developed songs about the relations between man and woman, there are moments on "Black Tie, White Noise" that nail it better, or "Wild Is The Wind" touches on it very well, metaphorically that is. I'd rather see David buckle down on Contamination or the new Visconti album, then have him waste time on this little side project.
thedetective (radioaddict50@hotmail.com) (Posted from IP: 12.23.165.16)
Madison, WI USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 19:29:40 (EST)
Bowie's artistic caraer has been going down hill since 1980, and anything new will just be as shit!! Act ya' age Bowie,your 53 for christs sake. You know i'm right!!
Fuckin knows what he's talkin about! (That's right no address@in your face.com) (Posted from IP: 212.126.144.12)
UK - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 19:11:36 (EST)
The Detective:With the confusion of election day still with us 'love you till tuesday' is probably the most significant ode to 'man'kind .It symbolises man's uncommitment to woman, the elector's uncommitment to the president and of course man's uncommitment to the earth. All the promises that are never honored, Who cares about wednesday when we can have it all now?
Miss Stubbs (Posted from IP: 212.211.16.98)
USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 17:19:06 (EST)
I've been a Bowie fan for some time now, but I must say, am I the only one feeling a bit worried about this "Toy" project? His material back in the early, early days was a bit weak musically, lyrically and creatively. While it's neat to look back for a short time, I doubt this one will stay in your CD player for more than a couple of weeks. Everytime I think of Bowie's early work, I think of "Love You 'Til Tuesday," I song I never really did get my head around. Very cheeky tune, almost as if he was trying very, very hard to record a hit out of the box. "...but I might make it a Wednesday." Ugh. Please, work on some new material David!!! ALRIGHT, YOU CAN ALL HATE ME NOW! WHAT DO YOU THINK???
TheDetective (radioaddict50@hotmail.com) (Posted from IP: 12.23.167.213)
Madison, WI USA - Friday, November 10, 2000 at 08:41:12 (EST)
In both the songs London Boys and I Can't Help Thinking About Me (both potential candidates for Toy Album inclusion) Bowie tells the tale of his own troubled youth. He describes his insecurity, loneliness, and need for belonging from the perspective of his then very inexperienced self. There is a level of introspection/circumspection that is quite unique to the young DB. On the song Silly Boy Blue, Bowie describes the relationship a chela-desciple has to his spiritual teacher. In the song Let Me Sleep Beside You, Bowie takes on the role of the Don Juan/Flatterer trying to decode the mysteries of an elusive woman he is infatuated with. All of these songs are musically and lyrically engaging and are some of the better songs from that period. Well, looking forward to Toy!
Nevada Kerr (Posted from IP: 4.17.147.178)
USA - Thursday, November 09, 2000 at 19:06:21 (EST)
Juvenile females 'joining the gang' have traditionally placed their most prized toy (the handbag) in the center of the dance floor while they dance around it.This is an example of a toy giving the last rites and creature comforts to the condemed woman, as waiting in the wings, are the males hanging around the walls 'doing nothing all together very fast'.
Miss Stubbs (Posted from IP: 212.211.4.33)
USA - Thursday, November 09, 2000 at 16:28:58 (EST)
Jazzin for Bluejean, what a classic 80's song. "Sometimes i feel like Ohhhhhhhhhhh!!!"Etc.
Cainy (cainy@freeuk.com) (Posted from IP: 212.126.144.12)
Liverpool, UK - Wednesday, November 08, 2000 at 19:14:19 (EST)
From the Bowie Song "Life Is A Circus"--"Life is a circus. It's not fair. Life is a Hard Road when you're not there at the Fair." The Man-Childish Escapader conjures a god of dreams and feral sleep, a god who is a master of "coma" and primitive "comedy." Suddenly, Pierrot is seized by the sensation of being tickled. As he convulses on his bed, he unconsciously sets the bed on fire and is consumed by both the flames and his own mad laughter. Pierrot's latent dark side instilled all his comical antics with tragic and terrifying undertones. The three 90's songs that are on the Toy album--one of which is a song called "Uncle Floyd" will in all likelihood capture the paradoxes of the Wise-Clown. His second and more enduring marriage to Iman, his man-child mid-life antics, the birth of his second child are all major factors for this Zany mood. Toy is a chance to go back and re-hear some wonderful sound-magic overlooked and dis-re-membered thru the years. Bowie's early songs (Silly Boy Blue, Let Me Sleep Beside You, London Boys...) were pure burlesque--treating trivial subjects in a "mock-heroic" style on one hand, or giving a serious or lofty subject a frivolous treatment on the other. Songs like She's Got Medals, Laughing Gnome, and Maids of Bond Street come to mind. I think the 60's songs have been in the background long enough. Now is the time/opportunity for Bowie to re-animate them and bring them into the foreground! The gods he conjures now are Masters of Merriment, Bringers of Tumult and Revels. Let them Come!
Nevada Kerr (Posted from IP: 204.167.92.229)
USA - Wednesday, November 08, 2000 at 10:36:48 (EST)
In the Toy Business, we collect the ugly with the beautiful, the bizarre with the elegant, the valuable with the worthless, sometimes forgetting which is which, or intentionally inverting them. We do it because, well, we can. We have the power. Toy Collectors know that all of us have the authority to assign value, that we don't have to want the things we're told to want, that it's good to love that which seems to have no worth...
Tommy Lowe (Posted from IP: 198.112.12.10)
USA - Wednesday, November 08, 2000 at 10:00:01 (EST)
i would like to say that david is the best in music and also the most intelligent man et le plus beau aussi
gabriel masquillier (gabriel166@caramail.com) (Posted from IP: 195.238.10.72)
namur, belgium - Wednesday, November 08, 2000 at 08:42:31 (EST)
*** Young American Hook nicked by Quincy Jones "boy group" *** Bowie stages double chat on Halloween night *** Toy tentatively set for release in March? *** Bowie Did Not "do" Madonna! *** Mike Garson on VH-1 with Smashing Pumpkins *** Beck's "Diamond Dogs" delayed *** Billboard hints that Mumba's "Body II Body" will be released in U.S.*** Garson, Plati, Gabrels, Palmer News --- all in the latest issue (#228) of the Bowie Newsletter for the "Lazy and Web-IMpaired", a weekly (generally) collection of snippets, news, gossip, and rumours! Free to subscribe: http://www.teenagewildlife.com/info/newsletters/dbfan/
Bonster (dbfan@aol.com) (Posted from IP: 64.12.104.156)
Richmond, VA USA - Tuesday, November 07, 2000 at 22:54:32 (EST)
Hello! From this south country I write only to say that DAVID BOWIE IS THE MOST GREATEST ROCKER IN ALL TIMES!! I want info about the David's BBC album. Send it to my mail, lobontn@yahoo.com Congratulations...this is a great site.
wolf from chile (lobontn@yahoo.com) (Posted from IP: 200.27.106.114)
santiago, chile - Tuesday, November 07, 2000 at 15:03:08 (EST)
It's only tangentially related, but if you're around early next week, you may want to check out TM online right now: tickets for the Foo Fighters at Roseland, which have been sold out, are now available again, when I checked about an hour ago. So far, voter turnout here appears to be really heavy, but God only knows what it means.
rancell (Posted from IP: 206.234.239.150)
NYC, NY USA - Tuesday, November 07, 2000 at 14:50:51 (EST)
I see that TW is getting ever closer to the 3million mark... how very cool :)
Alys (alpalmer@ucalgary.ca) (Posted from IP: 207.34.94.239)
Calgary, CANADA - Thursday, November 02, 2000 at 13:02:35 (EST)
Displaying the kind of vulnerability that would surely manifest itself in a Lisa Germano song, Bowie, in the song "Afraid," from the TOY album, sings: "I believe we are not alone and I believe in evil." "I believe that my soul has grown yet I'm still so afraid on my own." He also reveals: "I wish I was smarter." That line reminds me of the line in "Survive" where Bowie "confesses"--"I Should have been a Wiser Kind Of Guy." Here again we have the smart-ass/wise guy divulging dubious inner pangs. With lines like: "I wish I was taller; things really matter to me," the sarcasm is reaching an all time high. The protagonist of "Afraid" is the same "Dummy" we find in IAOA. He wants to talk on television, smile a crooked smile, walk an empty mile. Perhaps if he takes his "medication" he won't feel so bad--life will seem wonderful again and he can "walk on fires," and "recall the ocean." The protagonist was not "lost at sea" in the song "Afraid." He got "lost on the shore." Reminds me of I'm deranged/All the madmen.
Nevada Kerr (Posted from IP: 198.112.12.10)
USA - Thursday, November 02, 2000 at 10:05:51 (EST)
Hi folks, anybody interested in great Bowie-Collection? 160 CD´s + 270 vinyl-records. Sorry, but just complete. If you´re interested, please send a mail to Bowie1968@aol.com. By
Werner (Bowie1968@aol.com) (Posted from IP: 195.93.0.143)
Bochum, NR Germany - Thursday, November 02, 2000 at 07:51:48 (EST)
HAY RICK, LOVE YA YOUR CUZ. BE HAPPY DON'T WORRY the RaTbOy_0
RaTbOy_0 (Posted from IP: 205.161.172.222)
USA - Wednesday, November 01, 2000 at 21:38:36 (EST)
I was not aware of that Nevada. As you know at the library, we work behind special screens that not only protect us from violent and foul smelling males, but also filter out male influences and contact as well! This enables our 'red riding hoods' (or rookies) to work religously and not fall into the spiral of male contamination. The female elders would choke on their coffee and cookies if they knew that the one weak link in the unplained revolution, was my small addiction to Bowie speak.As an honorary female you take care and thanks.
Miss Stubbs (Posted from IP: 212.211.4.38)
USA - Wednesday, November 01, 2000 at 17:25:52 (EST)
hiyas canadian boy - I too quite enjoy Bowie at the Beeb. haven't seen your face around here in awhile - how ya doin' ?? luv alys xoxoxo
Alys (alpalmer@ucalgary.ca) (Posted from IP: 208.38.6.240)
Calgary, AB CANADA - Wednesday, November 01, 2000 at 16:37:52 (EST)
Miss Stubbs--I heard that you were officially invited to Mark Plati's home studio to "sit" in on the "musical do-ings" between David and Lisa. Lucky Duck you are. I am also glad that you are enjoying your new toys. Lots of Luck, Nevada.
Nevada Kerr (Posted from IP: 198.112.12.10)
USA - Wednesday, November 01, 2000 at 09:54:37 (EST)
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